Ep 80. Instagram 9 Grid Strategy: How to Remain Visible on IG Without Burnout w/Ruthie Sterrett

In this episode, Ruthie Sterrett, the CEO of marketing agency, The Consistency Corner talks to us about the Instagram strategy for small business that allows you to have a presence without experiencing burn out on social media.

During the convo we cover:

  • The basics of Instagram static 9 grids
  • What to include in the 9 grid
  • Where the 9 grid fits into the overall marketing strategy

We also hear about Ruthie’s journey into entrepreneurship as a mom.

About Ruthie

Ruthie Sterrett is the Founder and CEO of The Consistency Corner, a full service marketing agency that provides CMO level strategy and done-for-you implementation for CEOs ready to take off the marketing hat.

With 15+ years of experience and wins like taking a $20M retail brand to $100M, Ruthie is uniquely qualified to help CEOs leverage marketing differently, and get back to leading their company and serving their clients. She is known for her optimistic and upbeat personality paired with a solution finding growth mindset.

In her spare time, Ruthie loves cheering on the Purdue Boilermakers while raising her family in sunny Florida.

LINKS & MENTIONS

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Transcript
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because so many of us, we get this like shiny object syndrome and think like,

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I'm going to do all the things and then we do all the things for

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like five minutes. And then we're like, oh, that didn't work. And I don't have

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time to do it anymore. And like, nevermind, nothing works. Well, that's not true.

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We just didn't give it time and we weren't consistent enough. So I love.

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Leveraging a nine bridge so that you can get your time back to

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do some of those other things to figure out which

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strategies actually work for you and your business. You are now

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tuned in to the mom CEO suite podcast. I'm your

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host, Felicia, wife, mom, and entrepreneur.

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In this podcast, I'll be sharing my mompreneur journey along with

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strategies that will help you build your online business operations

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in a sustainable way. The goal is to help you build a business that

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fits into your lifestyle as a mom who values putting family

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first. We will also hear the experiences and expertise

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of other moms with service based businesses. You'll get a peek into

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our journeys so you'll know that you aren't alone.

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Motherhood gets hard. Entrepreneurship gets hard. But

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together we can do hard things.

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Welcome to the suite.

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So, hey friends, welcome to another episode. Thank you so much for being here. I

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am excited to have a guest with us today. Um, Ruthie

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Starrett, she is the founder and the CEO of the consistency

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corner, a holistic marketing agency, supporting

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service based brands with 20 years of sales,

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retail, and marketing experience. Ruthie drives revenue growth

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with practical strategies and cutting edge

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content. Here's an example, a midsize retail

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brand. She led grew from 20 million to over

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100 million in revenue. So while business

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leaders are busy focusing on scaling, the

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consistency corner is the CMO partnership that brings

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coherence and efficiency in branding, marketing,

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and content creation. This is going to be so

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good. Hey, Ruthie, welcome to the suite. How are you?

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Hello. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited for our conversation

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today. Yes, me too. We have lots to talk about. So before we hop

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right in though, just tell us a little bit more about yourself and really how

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you landed at this intersection of motherhood and entrepreneurship.

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I I love that question. So I am

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a. Current Florida resident originally from Indiana. So

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Midwest roots didn't like winter moved to Florida. Um,

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when I had my son eight years ago, he's eight now, I

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felt this like intense calling to do

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something to help working moms. This was like the height

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of the Pinterest mom era. And I remember thinking

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like, they all stay at home. Well,

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what about those of us who work like what are working moms doing? How are

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they figuring this out? And I was like, I don't know, but I'm going to

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figure it out. I'm going to figure out how to help working moms. And at

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the time I was working in retail, corporate retail marketing,

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and didn't really know what my calling was calling me to do. I

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just knew I wanted to help working moms. Now, fast forward, my

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son is now in kindergarten. really struggling in kindergarten and we

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had to change schools. And when we had to change schools,

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we lost our aftercare program. And so I had to go to my boss and

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say, Hey, um, I have to leave every day at two o'clock.

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And if that's not okay, well then, like I don't work here anymore.

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And that's exactly what happened. Six weeks later I resigned and

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knew in the moment that I sent my letter of resignation,

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that this whole hurdle we were going through with my

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son was sent here to get me to leave. So that

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I could actually start my business and do something to help

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working moms, because I was meant to start an agency to help

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other women continue to have the opportunity to work in their

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zone of genius with the flexibility to actually take care of themselves

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and their families. And that's also what we strive to do for our clients

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is to help our clients take Off some of the marketing hats, get

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marketing off their to do list because most business owners

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actually started their business to help people or serve

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people or for something other than doing

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marketing. And so we are here to take that hat off for them

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and give them their time back so that they can do that, doing what they

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love, what lights them up, um, or spending more time

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for their families or even taking care of themselves. actually

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love that. Um, so many things in the story. I think people can relate

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to the fact that it was a journey when you started it out. You're like,

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I want to help working moms, but not really sure what that was going to

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look like. I think so many of us, we start out like that. We have

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an idea. We have a passion for something, but we don't really know how

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to do or what we're going to do. Right. And now you have this

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agency. And so that's just a testament of sticking to it

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and just kind of working through all of the kinks, testing things out until you

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really land on your sweet spot. Right. and then it's also just

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interesting. I talked about this in past episodes about just how though. The work

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environment is not friendly to mothers. And

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that really kind of puts you in a position where you, you know, good for

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you, you were able to start your business, but sometimes for other people, it's a

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little bit challenging. but that is something that is a huge, huge

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issue, for women, for mothers, just this whole

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trying to work. and raise your Children, and we want to help

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to be able to make that intersection, easier, easier,

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right? Yeah, for sure. I mean, and even though I, you know, marketing is

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what I do, that's the niche that I'm in. I'm so passionate about

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number one as like a woman entrepreneur. showing

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the behind the scenes in the real life of being a mom, being a business

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owner, because I don't know anybody else, but my corporate background, every

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man that I ever worked for, every CEO I ever worked for was a man

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and CEO as a man looks different

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than CEO as a woman. And so I think as women, it's so important that

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we show each other How we're doing it, what's happening behind

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the scenes, the, the real amongst the highlight

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reel. And so I'm really passionate about that

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along with, like I said, giving other women that

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opportunity because you're right. Not everybody has the opportunity

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to start a business. I was so fortunate enough that I had a spouse that

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had a, strong enough income that could say, Hey, we'll be okay for

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a little while while you figure this out. And that he, you know, trusted in

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me enough to, to, to take the leap with me. But I know everybody doesn't

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have that. And so entrepreneurship isn't for everyone,

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but I think as a mom being able to do

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work that you love and being able to take care of your family

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should be for everyone. I love that. It should be for everyone.

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Um, so let's dig a little bit deeper. Let's talk about some marketing. I

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think, man, in the online space, when we talk about marketing, I

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think, you know, Now people just instantly think

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Instagram, right? But there's more to marketing, of course,

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and we can talk about that. But I think

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Instagram also comes with this, experience of getting

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burned out. Or just being a lot to handle, not

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being able to keep up. And I have just heard lots of conversations

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where, you know, especially moms, they're burnt out where they're over Instagram.

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Right. but it does have its high points, right?

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Instagram can be good for marketing. How can

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entrepreneurs, especially those who are moms, how can they

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maintain their visibility? Without being on Instagram

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all the time. Yeah. Well, first, let me share a little story

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back when I was in corporate, I was actually managing social media

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profiles for 16 different profiles. Um,

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I had my own little side hustle that I was trying to figure out on,

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you know, and I had my Instagram, but then like for the company I worked

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for, I'm managing 16 different social media profiles. So I'm spending a lot of time

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on the platform. And one day I'm scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling,

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scrolling,

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Realize 45 minutes has gone by and that amount of

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time that I just spent scrolling added zero value to my

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life. So it was like, what am I even doing here? Why am I

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spending all of this time on this thing? But I realized like working in

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marketing, I can't just. Give up on Instagram. I can't just throw in the towel

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because like 3 billion people are on Instagram and

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and in 2024 if we get

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recommended a product, a service, what do we do? We go look it up on

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the internet and so it's important to have a presence,

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but that doesn't mean we have to be on this constant, this

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content hamster wheel. And so a few years

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ago I had launched a new offer and I'm gonna be

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totally honest here. The offer flopped like. Didn't sell any and

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I was devastated, number one, but I was also burnt

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because in preparing for that launch, I had created a ton of

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social media content and I was just like sick of it and over it and

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I had heard about the nine grid strategy, which we're going to talk about today

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and thought, you know what, I'm going to give that a try. And if you've

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never heard of a nine grid, it is a visual content

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strategy that turns your Instagram into a mini

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website or a magazine cover or a billboard.

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And it's called a nine grid because you use the first nine

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posts on your grid and then you don't post any more.

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Because in those nine posts, you are telling

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the reader everything they need to know, who you are, who you

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help, the problem that you solve, how you help them, what

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additional resources you have, where else you might be hanging out if

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it's not Instagram, such as your email list, or maybe you're on LinkedIn, or

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maybe you do hang out in stories, but you point people to the right

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direction so that when they go to look you up, that box is

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checked for a professional and a strategic Instagram presence.

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But you don't have to think about what to post any more.

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And I absolutely love the nine grid. I have one up now and

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I put mine up. I think it was back in September.

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Actually, it might be time for a new one. But I did it right before

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my son was born because I just knew I wasn't going to be on Instagram.

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Um, so I know you said that you Implemented it and you tried it,

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you tested it out. So can you talk a little bit about when

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you did your experiment? What was life like for you as a

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mom and a business owner prior to the nine grid? And then after

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you implemented it, what was it like? Yeah.

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So once I put it up, first of all, I had a ton of fun

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creating it. Like I loved, I'm like a, I don't know. I like like pieces

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and puzzles and parts and putting things together. I reach all background. I was in

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merchandising and I like, I love to just like make all the product fit and

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figure it out. But yeah, That's what a nine grid felt like for me. So

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I love doing it, which also made me like realize, Oh, you should do this

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for other people because you like it. Not everybody does. But

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once it was up, it was like a weight

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was lifted off my shoulders because I didn't have to allocate

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time. Every week to content creation, every month to

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content planning every day to like, Oh, did

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that post go out? and you know, the, the dopamine

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hit we get from checking the analytics of like, did people like

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it? Did people comment? I just didn't have to worry about that anymore because it

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was like, this is here. Yeah. There is content in

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this grid that tells people what to do next, if I can help them,

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and if I'm not for them, like, okay, that's fine. And the other

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thing that it really helped is it gave me my time back

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so that I could actually focus on other things. Other marketing strategies,

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because like we talked about Instagram alone is not a strategy. It's a

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container and we should be marketing in other places, whether

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that's networking groups or participating in summits or

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bundles or guest speaking, email marketing, long form

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content. You know, I host a podcast, taking that podcast and turning it

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into a blog for my website. It gave me time

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back to do some of those other things. other things because I now

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no longer had to think about what I was going to post. And you know,

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you referenced that yours has been up since September and it might be time for

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a refresh. And that's a question I get from a lot of people is like,

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well, how long can I leave it up? And I typically recommend

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that people look at it after 90 days, every 90 days. And after

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the first three months, if nothing has changed in your business.

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Okay. Leave it up. Like that's totally fine. No reason to reinvent the

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wheel. If nothing has changed after six months, most of us

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have something that has changed in our business. Maybe we've got a

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new offer or we've tweaked the way we talk about something.

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Something usually shifts in six months. So every six months is a

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good time to go in and maybe refresh it. But the thing is you don't

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have to start from scratch because you already have one. So you

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can go in and edit, you can tweak, and you know, I've had

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people ask the question of like, well, okay, if I refresh it, um, do

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I take the old one down? No, just move it on down the grid

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and do another one. Like people evolve, brands evolve,

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and that's okay. And that's one question that I get a lot too, of like

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the first time you put up a grid, should you archive all of your old

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posts? has time for that. It's fine. Like, I

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like to do a little separation, so three posts

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that are like a solid color, or like my logo spread across three

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posts, and in the captions for those posts, just say

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like, Hey, you want to get to know me better? Feel free to look around,

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but everything you need to know is above this line and what's current And,

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you know, we talk about sometimes a question I'll get is like, well, if I

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put up a nine grid three, four or five months ago and people land on

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my page, are they going to think I'm not active? Because it was

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posted so long ago when it says like, three months or whatever.

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Here's the thing. It's a visual content strategy that we put together like

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a puzzle. So it clearly looks like this is

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intentional. And there's a story to tell in these nine posts.

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There's a journey that these nine posts are going to take you on. And somewhere

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in one of those either first or second posts, we'll talk about like,

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I don't post here regularly because I'm doing XYZ

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instead. And so then we're telling people and they know,

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Oh, this is intentional. But now I get to know everything that I need to

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know about this business instead of wondering, are they still in

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business? Oh, this is so good. Okay. So I hope y'all are taking

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notes. Ruthie just dropped a whole little mini masterclass for you guys.

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So I want to circle back to a couple of things you said. first let's

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go back up a little bit. we'll get more into the specifics of the

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nine grid, but can you talk a little bit more? You did touch

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on it about how Instagram is just a part

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of the marketing strategy and where it really fits in. Can you talk more to

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that? Okay. Yeah. You know, the Instagram gurus,

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they will lead you to believe on Instagram that it's the end all be all

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that it's the magic bullet that is going to save your business that is going

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to help you sell hundreds of thousands of dollars. That is just not

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true. There, first of all, there is no easy button. There is no magic

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bullet. So if anybody's trying to sell you that, like, please ask questions cause that's

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just not a thing. Um, but where Instagram

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can fit in the funnel is different for different

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people, but every single business needs to have

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places and strategies where they do three different things. Number one,

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attract new eyes to your business. So getting

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people to. Find out that you exist who don't already know you

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exist. That's called top of funnel marketing. If you're going to do

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top of funnel marketing on Instagram, the two ways

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you can do it are Reels, Because they get shown to people who don't already

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know you and ads, that's pretty much

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it. And ads cost money and reels you have to do like

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tons of them to actually make an impact. So

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right now we know, okay, maybe top of funnel, I need some other strategies like

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networking groups, participating in bundles or summits.

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guest speaking, guesting on podcasts, referrals,

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all of those SEO on the back end of your website and having

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keywords that people are searching. Those are all top of funnel

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strategies that we want to make sure we have in place. Then we

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move down the funnel. And once people know you exist, they're aware of

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your business. How are we nurturing them? How are we adding

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value? How are we helping them get to know us?

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Learn if we're for them or not decide if they

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like us and that can be done really well on

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social media that can be done with posts and a nine grid because now

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someone has found you and is reading those posts to get to know you.

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It can be done in stories because voice and your face, if you like,

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doing stories can be really effective for building relationships.

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It can be done through email marketing. It can be done through long form

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content such as your podcast or your blog or videos if you do

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video channels on YouTube.

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Before we move into the third phase, which is the convert or the sell phase,

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I want to remind you that not one piece of content

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or one platform can ever do all three. It just

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can't. And so we've got to be spreading our energy and our time

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out amongst the three different strategies and know that it's

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like this whole ecosystem that works together versus

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one thing. And so, like I said, the third phase is

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the convert phase, which is, you know, somebody opting into your email

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list, or maybe Purchasing from you. Um, and we can

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do that through email marketing. We can do it through direct reach out

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through, you know, DMS and conversations and sales calls. We can

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do it on social media with calls to action that drive people

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to that thing where they might purchase. And, you know, the cool thing is

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we have strategies and tools called like many chat.

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automations that we don't even have to be there to regularly do it,

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but knowing that that's not the only way to sell. Email

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marketing is something we all should be thinking about if we're not already. And

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so thinking about even how do we use social media to move people

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to our email list so that we can use those different platforms. Um,

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strategies and platforms and all of that stuff. When I work

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with clients, what we do is we figure out which one of those many

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options is the right one for you because there is

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no one right strategy. There is the right strategy for you

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that you enjoy doing that feels in alignment with your energy and your

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values that doesn't feel like a huge

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drain and time suck and that you can do at an

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intensity that will move the needle.

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Consistently, because so many of us, we get this like

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shiny object syndrome and think like, I'm going to do all the things and then

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we do all the things for like five minutes. And then we're like, oh, that

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didn't work. And I don't have time to do it anymore. And like, nevermind, nothing

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works. Well, that's not true. We just didn't give it time and we weren't consistent

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enough. So I love. Leveraging a nine bridge so that you can

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get your time back to do some of those other things

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to figure out which strategies actually work for you and your business.

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Yeah, I love that you said it's an ecosystem. You're totally right. We think it's

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going to be like this one thing or this one place that's going

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to get us that massive growth or whatever that we're looking for.

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But it truly is an ecosystem. and I love that you do this with your

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clients. It's fit to the client and what their goals are, what their lifestyle

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needs are, you know, how they are as a person. It's the same way with.

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like systems and tools, there is no one size fits all, right?

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Just because I use a certain tool and I love it does not mean that

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it makes sense for you, your business and your goals. Um, so you were talking

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kind of like in the middle piece of that funnel about the nine grid and

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how they can get to know you. So if somebody is, starting to build

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their nine grid. What makes it effective or what are some

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of the things that should be included in those different posts?

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Yeah, that's a great question. And we could probably spend nine hours

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talking about the nine different posts, like, to be honest. So I'll give you a

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high level overview that we want to include in

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Those different posts, who do you help? Who are you for?

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Who is the idle client? Because when we talk to everyone,

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no one listens. When we talk to one person,

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other people eavesdrop. So don't be afraid to talk

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to that one person and tell that one person that you're talking to them. The

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other thing is like who you are and what is

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the authority you bring to the table. Now that authority doesn't

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have to be like degrees or certifications or years of

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experience. It might just be a story that you tell. Your

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story that got you to where you are today. But sharing a little

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bit about you on a personal level and how that relates

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to your business. Um, and then if you have

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free resources, Sharing that in the grid because that's where we're going to

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have the opportunity to have a call to action to move people to our

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email list. And, you know, like we said, with many chat, you can have a

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keyword strategy where you say, you know, drop the keyword below.

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I'll send you the link to get this tool. This is what the tool does

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for you. It's also linked in my bio if you want it, you know, those,

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those kinds of little things. And then along with the free resource, your offer.

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So whatever your offer is, and this is the one thing that I want to

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say always should be in the center of the grid, like that main

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middle piece, because we're in business to sell something.

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So unless you're just doing Instagram for fun, like. If you're

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doing Instagram for business, like let's talk about your offer and make sure it's there.

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Um, and then one other thing that I really want to work with people on

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that we talk a lot about is your brand values. So

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knowing what your brand values are and weaving that

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into the content, whether it's through quotes or

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stories or even just language calling out why certain things

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are important to you, because that's going to help attract your tribe

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to you. That's going to make sure the right customers. are aligned

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with you and say like, yes, this person is for me because you're

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clear on those brand values and you're using them in your content to

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connect with the right audience. That's really good.

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Um, I hope y'all are taking notes I'm gonna say it again But if you're

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looking for an example I'm sure you include all of those things in yours and

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we'll connect ruthie's instagram in the show description So you can check

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out her page as well. Just go see an example and get some ideas

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But Ruthie, you do also support your clients in doing this for them,

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right? Yeah. Yeah. So I will say first, if you go look at my

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Instagram at the consistency corner, I'm extra. Mine is a

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15 grid. You don't have to do that, but like, I'm extra.

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So just know that, but you, we can get it done in nine posts. Um,

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but we offer at the consistency corner. We have some.

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DIY options, which are Canva templates to design it. So you're

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not starting from scratch. And then my all time favorite tool that I love to

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share with people is the planning pack. And the planning pack actually

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has prompts for all nine posts and

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chat GPT prompts that tell you what to tell chat GPT.

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So you get the right things out. And we talk a lot in that

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tool about how to connect the captions to the

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images and make it all make sense. As a puzzle,

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and I will say, if you're going to create your own nine grid, it takes

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around 15 hours, if not more to create one. So just know that

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up front. This is not like a 20 minutes. I'm in car line. I can

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throw this thing together kind of project. And it's not only is it

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like a maybe 15 hour project, but it's not one that you can really

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effectively do. in little short buckets. Like

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when I do one for a client, I map out three hour time

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blocks to work on it because to make it all feel cohesive and go

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together, it's important to give yourself that space to create.

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So if you're like, Whoa, pump the brakes, I don't have 15 hours.

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Um, I can do it for you. That's one of the things that we do

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done for you, nine grids. And we can either just get that nine grid

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done, put it on your Instagram, check. You're done. Or we

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have a package actually that will do a three month marketing plan with

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your nine grid. So you have that roadmap of what to follow

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outside of Instagram. Once it is, um,

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set it and you've like forgotten about what you're going to post anymore.

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Nice. And I'm so glad that you mentioned how long it actually takes.

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I know that when I went to do mine, I don't know why I thought

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it would just take me a couple of hours, but it definitely took a whole

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lot longer. And so in, I was going to ask you, in doing the

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next one, what are some tips that you have to be able to do it

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quicker? but you already answered that question, so we're good. You can get that, the

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pack. What did you call it again? I call it a planning

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pack because it's like, it's like a spreadsheet that you can make notes

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in. There's a brand checklist that is a lot of things you want to kind

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of get out of your head and on paper before you start. And

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then the chat GPT prompts for how to kind of go next and get the

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captions from AI. Okay. So Ruthie has all the resources for

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you. I would love to get your perspective on this. people have

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the nine grit, right? But there is also an option, if I'm not mistaken,

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that you can post a real And it

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not go to your actual profile? Is

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Yes, that's a yes. That's a really good question. And it's like a little hack

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that I share with people. So you can still post reels.

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Um, I love a reel for a podcaster because you're going to have clips of

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your show or just if you like to do reels, nobody has to do reels.

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But if we like to, when you post a reel, you

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can post it to your reels

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tab only. So there's a little setting

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that's like post this to reels tab only or post

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to. main tab or main grid and reels grid.

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Now that's a great setting. I'm thankful that Instagram

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gave that to us. If you schedule your reels and you're

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using either Instagram natively to schedule them or

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another tool or another platform, you can't use that setting.

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But you can always remove the reel from the grid so then it just moves

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back over to the reels tab only so it doesn't quote unquote mess

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up your grid. If you want to use a

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reel within the nine grid, you definitely

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can. What you're going to do is you're going to create a reel

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cover that has the graphic from that portion of the grid

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as the center. So it still fits into your grid

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puzzle, but there's a reel behind it. Oh, that's such a

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great tip and a hack. Okay, Ruthie has given us so

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much in this episode today and we could keep it going,

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so Ruthie, if you have any just final tips

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or words of encouragement, especially speaking to the moms in business, related

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to their marketing or Instagram, please share that with us. And then also

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how can people connect with you? Yeah. So

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when I, when we talk about nine grids, one thing that I will say is

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who a nine grid is not for. I want to kind of share that.

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If you are still figuring out who is

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your ideal client, how do you help them? What are your offers? Like

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you're still testing out offers and trying to figure things out. I

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actually encourage you to keep creating content because creating

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content actually helps you clarify your message. And

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so then it might not be time for a nine grid. Now, in

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that boat, or in any boat, if you're not ready to commit to a nine

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grid, you can use a three grid. So every

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single one of us can actually pin three posts to the top of our

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profile. And that's kind of like dipping your toe into

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the nine grid world. And I actually have really started doing

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this lately for clients who have a nine grid is we'll put a. three grid

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on top of the nine grid for whatever they're currently launching.

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And so it just allows you to use these tools a little bit

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differently, a little bit more strategically. So keep that in

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mind that you don't have to go all in. You can dip your toe in

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on this kind of grid static strategy, see how it

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feels and use it at different times for

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different reasons. You know, it doesn't have to be like a Yeah. I'm never

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going to post again for the rest of my life. Like, no, I have a

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client who she put it up for a month for summer vacation. I have people

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who might put it up at the holidays or people who will do a 9

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grid for a whole launch because instead of posting

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regularly during the launch, like, they just want to get it up there and they

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want to have a lot of information about the program or the

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resource or the. The tool that they're launching that you can't necessarily

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share in three posts. So they do it in nine. So just know

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that there's so many different ways that you can leverage the tool. And if you'd

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like to connect with me, send me a DM. I'm happy to answer questions in

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the DMs, um, or at the consistency corner, our

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website, you can find all the resources there and schedule a call. If you'd like

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to learn more about how us do one for you. And all

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of that is going to be in the show description and notes so you

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can easily connect with Ruthie. I don't know about y'all, but Ruthie has gotten me

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a little bit excited about Instagram right now.

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Yes. You know, and that is the thing is I love to talk about this

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with people that Who have kind of given up on

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Instagram or they're kind of over it or like, nah, just nevermind. It's not for

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me because it can get you excited again, because it's like,

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Oh, I don't have to do it the way all the gurus and

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people are telling me. And often what happens on Instagram is we see

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people selling courses that are going to teach us how to do the thing, but

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then we still got to do it all the time. Um, Or social media

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managers, which feels like it might be a right solution.

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But even with a social media manager, you have to continue to

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provide content. You've got to get them photos. You've got to

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get them updates for, you know, what's going on in your business. You've got to

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have the approval process. Like there's still a lot of energy that

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you're going to use if you outsource to a social media manager.

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And this like makes it so you don't have to do that.

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Love it so much. Ruthie, it has been such a pleasure having you on.

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I am going to, so I'm going to be updating my, my

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grid. I don't know if I'm going to do a whole nother nine grid. You

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mentioned something I was thinking about just doing the three grids and having some other

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things. The options are, I don't want to say

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endless, but it's a lot of options. There's a lot of options. Absolutely. And that's

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one of the reasons that like I do a call with people

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is to talk through the options and figure out what is the right

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option for you because there's not, it's not a cookie cutter

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strategy. There's a lot of ways to customize it for your business goals.

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Absolutely love that. And so again, we'll have all the information in the

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show description. So you guys can connect with Ruthie yourselves. Thank

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you so much for being here with us and guys, we'll see you in the

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next episode. Yes. Thanks for having me.

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