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Welcome to episode 102 of the Mom CEO Suite podcast.

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Is Pinterest Marketing Worth how to use Pinterest as an online service provider?

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So in the previous episode I shared that I'm adding Pinterest to my marketing strategy.

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And so today I'm having a chat with Michelle Stevens who is a Pinterest coach, marketer and manager and she was recently named by Tailwind as a top Pinterest influencer.

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I had so many questions for Michelle and she gives us so much insight into how to use Pinterest as an online service provider.

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Everything from boards, analytics and strategy to best practices and habits to avoid.

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If you are looking for new ways to market without social media, you'll enjoy this episode.

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Stay tuned.

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Hey friend.

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Welcome to the Mom CEO Suite podcast where faith, family and business come together.

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I'm your host, Felicia Pugh, Christian wife, mom of two and life and business system strategist for mom entrepreneurs.

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With over 10 years of experience working behind the scenes of businesses and mental industries and as a work from home mompreneur, I'm here to share my personal journey and practical strategies to help you design systems that bring peace to your work and home life.

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While many strive for balance, I believe it's harmony, an integrated flow that works for you, that truly sustains.

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Together, we'll explore how to grow your service based business in a way that is sustainable and keeps your family at the heart of it all.

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Plus hear real life stories and expertise from other mompreneurs who are walking the same path.

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Motherhood gets hard, entrepreneurship gets hard.

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But together we can do hard things.

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Welcome to the suite.

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All right.

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Hey friends, welcome to another episode.

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So excited to be here with you again today.

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Thank you for joining us.

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And today in the suite, we have with us Michelle Stevens.

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And Michelle, she is a lover of all things Pinterest and she finds joy in helping people grow their business through Pinterest.

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In her own words, she's kind of a nerd when it comes to all things SEO and she loves doing the research that goes along with it.

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Her goal is to help online business owners, bloggers, coaches and e commerce sellers learn how to use Pinterest to double their traffic to their website so they can make more money.

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She believes that Pinterest can be a game changer in business and she has a variety of ways that she can service you and support you with your Pinterest.

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So Michelle, welcome to the suite.

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How are you today?

Michelle Stevens 00:02:33

I'm doing great.

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How are you doing?

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I am great.

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It is Friday, so you Know, that's always a plus.

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So glad to have you here today.

Michelle Stevens 00:02:41

Absolutely.

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I'm glad to be here.

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I'm really excited.

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Yeah.

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So let's just hop right in.

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You know, this is the mom CEO suite.

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So for you at this intersection of motherhood and entrepreneurship, you know what's going well for you right now.

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And then also talk about something that might be a little bit challenging.

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So what's going really well?

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My business is starting to take off a little bit more than it had been for a while.

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You know how it is when you're starting something new.

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It takes a little bit to get going.

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But I have amazing clients right now that I'm working with and that's really enjoyable.

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I'm also building out a course, so that's super exciting.

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I think the biggest challenge for me right now is just time.

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You know how it is when you're a mom.

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I mean, I also still work a corporate 9 to 5, so building my business with the 9 to 5 and the 5 year old has been challenging.

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So, yeah, it's getting.

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Getting everything done, really.

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Being smart with my time is really key.

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I'm really glad you mentioned that because that is something I think every mother, even if you're not an entrepreneur, you feel like you're strapped for time.

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Right.

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So how are you kind of navigating that?

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What are some things that you're doing to just kind of maximize your time or get you through it?

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So it's a little bit smoother.

Michelle Stevens 00:03:55

Yeah.

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So for me, the main thing is I really have to plan my days.

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And they never go exactly as you plan, but when you have a plan, at least you have kind of an outline.

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So for me, you know, a big chunk of my day is working my corporate job.

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And then after I get done, I make sure that I spend some time with my son and I work from home.

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So thankfully I see him all day still.

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But then I really have to really mark what clients I'm working on that day.

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I have to set aside time to work on my own business and market myself.

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Um, so really, you know, that's why Pinterest is great.

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Cause I can do it all at once and then schedule it out and I don't have to talk to anybody afterwards.

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Um, but it really.

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Yeah, it's really all about just scheduling out that time and making sure that I have a plan.

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As soon as I close my laptop for work, I know exactly what I'm doing the rest of the night.

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I love that.

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And anybody who listens to the podcast you know, I'm a planner, I'm an organizer.

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I love all those things.

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So I love that you're implementing that.

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But you gave a great segue about why you love Pinterest, and it helps you just kind of manage your time better and be present in your different roles.

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So can you talk to us about what is Pinterest?

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Some people might not really know what it is yet, but just give us a brief overview of what Pinterest is, how it works, and then why you choose Pinterest as a priority over some other platforms for your business.

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Marketing.

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Absolutely.

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So a lot of people, like, if they do know of Pinterest, they know how to use Pinterest, right?

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Like, they go.

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They find beautiful things, they pin them to their boards, and that's how they use Pinterest.

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But as a business owner, you can really leverage the platform.

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It's a visual search engine, so it works a lot more like YouTube or Google than it does like Instagram or Facebook.

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So as a business owner, knowing that, you have to leverage the SEO with Pinterest.

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But what's so great about the platform is because it's searchable, your content lives for so much longer.

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So I don't know about you, but I have spent, like, an hour and a half making a reel, and I get, like, 200 views, and then it dies, and then nothing ever happens.

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I mean, maybe that's just me, but it happens.

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And on Pinterest, the nice thing is, is you can post that.

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Maybe it doesn't do great the first month, but it could get picked back up at six months later and go viral for you.

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So it's never something like, I tell people, you never have to delete an old pin.

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It could pick up at any time and take off for you.

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So because it's searchable, your content just lasts so much longer on there.

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And for me, that's huge because I need that staying power.

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Um, it does take a little bit longer.

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You're not gonna see, like, immediate results from Pinterest, but it builds.

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So the more you're pinning, the more you're consistent with the platform, the more you're gonna see the results.

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I love that.

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And before we started, I told Michelle that I was starting to tap into Pinterest for my own business.

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And that's one of the things that drew me to it.

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Just the searchability of it and the evergreen nature.

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Like you said, at any time, something that you pinned a year or so ago could pick up.

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And so as a mom, that's really.

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We're all strapped for time like we already talked about.

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Right.

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And so I felt like with Instagram, because I was on there, that things just don't last and people don't see it and people are not necessarily searching for those things on Instagram.

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So that's one of the things that I love about Pinterest.

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So now you talked about how if people know about Pinterest, they kind of know it from a user perspective.

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I know for me it was like, oh, I'm going to go look for some recipes or for some, like, interior design stuff on Pinterest.

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But for somebody who is like a service provider, we have a lot of service providers, or they might have digital products who listen to the podcast.

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What's a simple strategy that they can use?

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You talked about getting leads, more traffic to their website.

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So what's a simple strategy that they can use to either generate more leads or just drive more traffic to their website?

Michelle Stevens 00:07:57

Yeah, so I love this question.

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So I'm a service provider myself, so I use Pinterest in this way.

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Exactly.

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So one of the best things you can do for yourself just overall, long term, is make sure that you are tracking all your landing pages, blogs, YouTube episodes, podcasts, all of that.

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It's going to help you so much over time, like knowing where all your content is at.

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But what I do is I have that content library and then every month I take a spreadsheet and I decide what URLs I'm going to promote.

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So if you want to go crazy on Pinterest, you can do one a day.

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If you want to do 15amonth, you know, whatever, how many, however many URLs you want to take on.

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Start slow at first because you don't want to overwhelm yourself.

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But say you're going to take 15 URLs, then I take those and I create three to five different pins for each URL and then title and description.

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And then I schedule those all out either in the native scheduler or I schedule them out in like Tailwind or Metricool or whatever.

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Whatever scheduler you have, you can use.

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So when you schedule those out, that can all be done in just like a few hours every month.

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And you can have your entire month planned, everything pinned, and you're going to have a decent amount of pins.

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When you're doing that now, you don't have to do five images.

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You could do one if you want.

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That's perfectly okay.

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I always tell people, start small and work in two more because that'll kind of Build your Pinterest muscle and you're not overwhelming yourself all at once.

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But I think what a lot of people that our service providers do is they forget how many things you can actually pin.

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So a lot of people think blogs, right?

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And those, those are wonderful to post, but you can pin your YouTube videos, you can pin your podcast episodes, you can pin low ticket digital products, high ticket products, you can pin your services landing pages, you can pin so many different things.

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If it has a URL you can pin to it.

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So putting that in a plan and really just having it intentional is really going to set you apart because a lot of people will just kind of haphazardly post.

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And if you have a consistent schedule, it's just, it makes it so much better.

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Pinterest starts to trust that you're giving it fresh content all the time and it will start pushing your content more.

Felicia Pugh 00:10:17

That's so interesting.

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So you mentioned about doing three to five.

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I know you said start, start slow, but you mentioned the three to five pins per link or per URL, right?

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So is there any particular reason why that's better?

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Is it just getting more traffic to it or what's like the reasoning behind.

Michelle Stevens 00:10:37

I like to have multiple pins per URL and I will repeat those after a few months and do the same ones again.

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Because when you think about how many pins are on Pinterest, you want to give yourself as many shots as you can, right?

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Like you're just putting your little breadcrumbs out on Pinterest.

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So the more you can do, the better.

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We don't want to spam one URL and post 25 at the same link in one day.

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So you want to spread it out.

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Usually when I, how I spread it out is I'll do one of the different, so one of the different images every week.

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So if you have say seven URLs you're using, then you're just going to be posting one per week, you know, for each day, which spreads it out.

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It also gives you the ability to really have consistent content on the platform without just like constantly being on there creating new pins.

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So I like to do it in bulk, creating three to five at once because it's a time saver and you can schedule it out and it's done.

Felicia Pugh 00:11:35

That makes so much sense.

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And just having that plan that you're talking about, it makes it feel doable, right?

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Because I know sometimes it can feel like, oh my goodness, I have to do all of these pins.

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How am I going to do it?

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But you're mapping out a simple plan that again, is saving time and maximizing your time, but you're still able to hit that presence on Pinterest.

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Okay, this is getting interesting now.

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So we talked about pinning these different types of pins and they can go to different types of pages.

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But are there certain types of pins that perform better than others?

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Like, I know they have like just the regular, they call it static image.

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But are there other types of pins that might perform better than others?

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And what's your take on it?

Michelle Stevens 00:12:19

Yeah.

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So as far as performing better, it really depends on you and your audience.

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So the only way you're going to figure that out is pinning multiple types of pins.

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They have video pins now.

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So Pinterest has changed a lot.

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There used to be idea pins and story pins and all these different kind of pins.

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Now you have a static pin, you have a video pin, and you have your infographics.

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So those are your three main pins.

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I have noticed, like, that's a general rule and it's.

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This is not always the case, but video pins tend to do really well for reach and impressions.

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Like, they tend to get more impression.

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Static pins tend to do pretty well for getting outbound clicks to your website.

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And infographics are really savable.

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So when you're thinking infographics, it's usually those pins that have tons of information.

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Oftentimes people don't click through to those, but they will save them to their boards.

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And saves on Pinterest is a really good signal for them.

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So mixing those, you know, saveable pins is good.

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Even though it might not cause that immediate click out to your website, it will help build up your Pinterest account.

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So I like having a mix.

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And then after about 90 days of doing that mix, I would look into your analytics, see what's performing the best for you.

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So if your goal is clicks to your website, you want to see what kind of pins are doing the best to get your clicks to the website.

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Sometimes it will be video pins.

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Like sometimes people have video pins that really kill it for them and it and it gives them a ton of traffic to their website.

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Others, just regular static pins do the best for them.

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So it really just depends on you and your audience and you really just have to track it.

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I always say test and try it and see what works for you.

Felicia Pugh 00:14:02

Yeah, and I'm glad that you said that because there is no like one right way to do anything.

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And I love that you said it depends on what your goal is.

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Your strategy will depend on what your goals are and what works best for you.

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The way you were talking though, you mentioned a few analytics, maybe you said reach impressions, I think saves and it was something else.

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So can you talk about those a little bit and kind of what they are indicators of or their purpose?

Michelle Stevens 00:14:30

Absolutely, yeah.

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So a lot of people really get hung up on impressions, which is reach views, that kind of thing.

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Impressions, views, same thing.

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So impressions, what that means is that your pin was shown on that page.

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It doesn't necessarily mean somebody saw your direct pin, but it was on the page available for viewing and that is what impressions is.

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So a lot of people really are like, oh, I want to get to a million impressions, which is great because then, you know, more people are seeing your stuff.

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But it's not what's causing people to click through to your website.

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Outbound clicks means they clicked on the pin and they went to your website.

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They also have engagement, which means you know when you're on Pinterest and say you click on a pin and you read a little bit more, but you don't go all the way through to the website, that's an engagement, which is a positive sign.

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But you obviously want the outbound click.

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So concentrating on having more outbound clicks is going to give you more website traffic.

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Whereas impressions when you're on Pinterest is great.

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If you're trying to get awareness right, you're just trying to get people to know more about your brand.

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It's important, but it's not the thing that's going to take them to your website right then.

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So it's good to have good impressions.

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But help out clicks to me are the more important metric to follow that and save.

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Because if people are saving, if you think about pinners, and I don't know if you're a Pinterest user yourself, you probably have gone on, done a recipe or you got inspo for a new project or fashion or whatever and you're pinning the ideas right because you're going to come back later, say, I know when I was pregnant with my son I pinned a ton of baby stuff and then I'd go back later and look and click through and order whatever I wanted.

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Which is how people use Pinterest.

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They're pinning it to plan and to use later.

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So saves are great too because that means they could go back to your content later.

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So that's why it's such a positive signal for Pinterest is because it's saying, yeah, they're liking it enough to save it to their boards.

Michelle Stevens 00:16:28

So yeah, those analytics, that's kind of what they mean as far as how you're performing.

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So if you realize you're getting a ton of impressions but nobody's clicking through to your website, then we need to tweak something on that pin.

Michelle Stevens 00:16:43

Probably a call to action saying click through.

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Or maybe your description is giving away too much and we need to leave a cliffhanger.

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So they need to go through to your website.

Felicia Pugh 00:16:53

See, this is why you all need a Pinterest strategist in your life.

Felicia Pugh 00:16:58

I'm sitting here, there's like so many other directions and questions I could ask you right now.

Felicia Pugh 00:17:03

Because as you're talking, more things seem to come up and it's really, you do need a strategy.

Felicia Pugh 00:17:09

You can't just pin and you need to analyze what you're doing and review it and see what's working and what's not working.

Felicia Pugh 00:17:17

The next thing that came to my mind is like, okay, somebody, they're convinced, I'm going to try Pinterest, right?

Felicia Pugh 00:17:22

I want to test this out.

Felicia Pugh 00:17:23

I'm going to give it 90 days.

Felicia Pugh 00:17:25

So as they are, you know, getting their account together and thinking about what they're going to pin, the URLs they're going to send people to, what are some of the things that they should avoid or even just what are some of the common mistakes that you've seen people make when they're starting out on Pinterest?

Michelle Stevens 00:17:42

Yeah, so I would say the biggest one is they give up too soon.

Michelle Stevens 00:17:45

So Pinterest, I always say, is a slow burn.

Michelle Stevens 00:17:48

It's not something where you're going to start posting.

Michelle Stevens 00:17:51

I mean, people probably have started to post and went viral right away, but that is super uncommon if you're brand new.

Michelle Stevens 00:17:58

If you have a brand new Pinterest account, give it six months, nine months, maybe a year to really take off and just try to be patient with it and think of it as building a foundation.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:08

Right?

Michelle Stevens 00:18:09

You're just building that foundation.

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You're consistently pinning.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:12

You don't have to take it too serious.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:14

Kind of monitor your analytics, see what you're doing and try to double down on what works, but really give it that time to grow.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:21

Because if you've ever, like, if you're a blog writer or something like that, you know, it takes a long time to rank on Google.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:29

Super similar in Pinterest.

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It takes a while for them to even index your pins.

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And when you're brand new, Pinterest is learning what your account is about.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:37

So this is going to open a whole new can of worms.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:40

But your entire profile should have little, you know, breadcrumbs as to what you're all about.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:45

So you're going to tell them what you do, how you do it, you're going to have keywords within your about section, your board descriptions, all of that.

Michelle Stevens 00:18:54

And it's really helping Pinterest learn who to put your pins in front of.

Michelle Stevens 00:19:00

So they really track the behaviors of different people and as they're searching things, they'll start seeing your pins or they're just behaviors on what they're looking up on Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:19:10

So there's different ways the algorithm works.

Michelle Stevens 00:19:13

It works search based.

Michelle Stevens 00:19:14

It also works on the home feed where it's just feeding you things that it thinks that you want.

Michelle Stevens 00:19:20

So that's why it's so important for Pinterest to understand what your business is about is because that way it can put it in front of the correct people.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:29

That's good.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:29

So it's a slow burn.

Michelle Stevens 00:19:31

A slow burn, yeah.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:34

Look, that's good to know though.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:36

So don't go on Pinterest and expecting, you know, 30 days later it could happen.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:40

Right.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:41

Nothing impossible.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:42

But, you know, that shouldn't necessarily be the normal expectation.

Felicia Pugh 00:19:48

Is there anything that someone might do that'll kind of red flag them to Pinterest?

Felicia Pugh 00:19:57

Or, you know, how on Instagram, what do they say?

Felicia Pugh 00:19:59

Shadow banned.

Felicia Pugh 00:20:01

Is there anything like that on Pinterest?

Michelle Stevens 00:20:03

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:04

And that's a hot topic all the time in every Pinterest Pinterest board.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:07

So you can get caught.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:09

What they we all call the spam filter.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:11

Right?

Michelle Stevens 00:20:12

So a lot of times what happens, and there's a couple different ways, number one, if you're posting pure affiliate links with no disclaimers, you're going to get shut down.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:19

So please don't do that.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:21

Pinterest does allow affiliate links, but you have to do it correctly.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:25

So that's one thing.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:26

It's best to send them to a blog with the affiliate links in there, but you can post a direct affiliate link.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:31

You would just have to make sure you put that disclaimer in your pin.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:35

So it's very, you're very aware that it's an affiliate link.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:39

So what I've seen people do is they put like 25 affiliate links, you know, in one day, and then they're going to get shut down.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:46

So if you feel like you're being spammy, you probably are.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:50

So that's what I always tell people.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:52

The other thing is, and this actually happened to me once, is it's totally Innocent, Right.

Michelle Stevens 00:20:58

Like, I had an Etsy shop that I was just trying to get my Etsy products onto Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:03

So I was doing that Pinterest extension where you can pin it to Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:08

Well, I did too many and so it put me in the spam filter.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:11

Thankfully, I emailed them and they're like, oh, yeah, it's all her pins.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:14

They let me have my account back.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:16

But sometimes they don't and it'll just shut down your account forever.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:21

The other thing that you can see, if you feel like you've gotten a weird spam filter on accident because of a Pinterest update, you'll see your analytics going up and then boom, nothing.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:34

And that's when I would definitely reach out to Pinterest and see what's going on, because that has happened to people before where they weren't doing anything spammy, they weren't doing anything crazy, and they got caught in that spam filter.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:46

As a new account, you do have to be a little more careful than like an account that's been active for three years because they kind of learn their cadence and they're not quite as tight on those.

Michelle Stevens 00:21:56

But people are trying to spam on Pinterest all the time.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:00

So when you have a brand new account, you're more on like kind of a high alert.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:03

So you just want to be careful that, I mean, you can hand pin, you know, five to ten pins a day and you're going to be fine.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:09

Just make sure you're not doing like all the same URL.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:12

And if you feel like you're being spammy, you're probably being spammy, so dial it back.

Felicia Pugh 00:22:18

What is the rule of thumb if you feel like you're being spammy?

Felicia Pugh 00:22:21

You probably are.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:22

Yeah.

Felicia Pugh 00:22:23

Okay, that's really interesting and good to know as well.

Felicia Pugh 00:22:27

So I want to circle back just a little bit because you mentioned it really briefly.

Felicia Pugh 00:22:30

You said something about boards.

Felicia Pugh 00:22:32

So can you explain what those actually are and like just the role that they play in the whole Pinterest strategy?

Michelle Stevens 00:22:40

Yes, absolutely.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:41

Boards are super important to your Pinterest strategy.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:44

So with each board, I always think of a board as kind of like a file, file cabinet.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:50

It's kind of telling Pinterest what is on what's going to be on that board.

Michelle Stevens 00:22:54

And you want to make sure that when you're pinning to that specific board, it is relevant to that board because that's how Pinterest is learning what your account is about.

Michelle Stevens 00:23:02

So your boards, how I tell people to really start creating boards if you're brand new is to think, if you're a service provider, what are kind of your content pillars that you use for other social media?

Michelle Stevens 00:23:14

And can you put those as boards?

Michelle Stevens 00:23:19

So, you know, for you, you have maybe organization and productivity for malms, you know, different things, right?

Michelle Stevens 00:23:25

And those are going to be your broad boards.

Michelle Stevens 00:23:28

So say you have five to 10 of those and it could be less, it could be three to five, whatever.

Michelle Stevens 00:23:33

And then you're going to take more niche topics within those big broad boards and make boards out of those.

Michelle Stevens 00:23:40

So if you have a broad board, then you're going to have maybe three other, like, more niche topics that you could that kind of go under that broad board, but they're going to be separate boards completely.

Michelle Stevens 00:23:53

And that way, when you create a pin that would belong on that broad board, there's more other boards.

Michelle Stevens 00:23:58

You can pin that same thing too, because you don't want to pin the same URL to the same board every single time.

Michelle Stevens 00:24:05

You want to spread it out.

Michelle Stevens 00:24:08

There's a lot that goes into a board strategy, but that's a really broad overview of it.

Michelle Stevens 00:24:14

So you're going to have here, your boards, you're going to make sure you're pinning to the relevant boards, but have multiple boards that kind of can go for the same.

Michelle Stevens 00:24:21

Same thing, same.

Felicia Pugh 00:24:23

That is so good.

Felicia Pugh 00:24:25

See, now this is the perfect segue because clearly we're going to need some help with our Pinterest because there's lots of little nuances.

Felicia Pugh 00:24:32

Right.

Felicia Pugh 00:24:33

So I want you to tell us what it's like working with you and how you support people.

Felicia Pugh 00:24:37

But can you also share.

Felicia Pugh 00:24:38

It can be, you know, your own Pinterest story or just one of your clients.

Felicia Pugh 00:24:43

Just what that's looked like for them from, like, where they started and since they worked with you, what it looks like now for them since they started using Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:24:52

Yeah, absolutely.

Michelle Stevens 00:24:54

So I just recently did.

Michelle Stevens 00:24:55

So I have a service called the VIP Month, and that's for somebody that's maybe not quite ready for Pinterest management, but they really want somebody to help them get going and moving and just kind of teach them how to do it.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:07

So what that VIP Month is, is I will completely go in, optimize your whole Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:13

We're going to update your boards, we're going to reorganize everything, make sure everything's optimized and good.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:20

And then I do all the scheduling for you for a month.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:22

So I do your entire Pinterest schedule as if I was managing your Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:25

Myself.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:27

So I do the whole strategy, all the keyword research and everything, and then I will take that keyword bank, pass it on over to you.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:34

But I also schedule out the next couple of months.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:38

So I have the URLs, the titles, the descriptions, the keywords you're targeting, and then you'll create the creative and do the scheduling yourself for those next months.

Michelle Stevens 00:25:50

But what I did was I helped someone with a VIP month and because she already had an established account and we just really needed to fine tune some stuff, once we did that, she, she started to right away, actually within that first 30 days, an increase in her outbound clicks, increase in her impressions, increase in all of her saves.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:10

And she was so happy.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:11

She was like, can you just finish scheduling the rest of the months for me?

Michelle Stevens 00:26:14

So then she ended up, you know, being more of a management client than a vip.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:19

But it's amazing what can happen.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:21

She had a Pinterest account going, so her turnaround was a lot quicker than you would expect.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:26

Somebody that's brand new.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:27

But that was really super exciting to see.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:30

It just took a few tweaks for her and sometimes that's all it is.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:34

Brand new accounts.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:35

I just started working with a tile company.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:38

I've been working with them for about six weeks now.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:40

We already got them up to about 12,000 impressions.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:44

They're getting outbound clicks to their websites, they're getting saves on their pins.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:48

So that's really exciting.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:50

And that's a pretty good, that's a pretty good amount for a brand new account.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:56

That is exciting.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:57

Yeah, yeah.

Michelle Stevens 00:26:58

And as far as my account goes too, like it ebbs and flows as, you know, as the years go and as.

Michelle Stevens 00:27:07

Because I always put mine on the back burner, but it is consistently growing and I'm really starting to see that work that I put in early on is really starting to pay off because I'm seeing a lot more clicks through to my website.

Michelle Stevens 00:27:20

So Pinterest is definitely one of my biggest traffic drivers to my site and how people find me, along with YouTube because I'm on YouTube also.

Michelle Stevens 00:27:26

But yeah, so that is, that is kind of how it works for me.

Michelle Stevens 00:27:31

I love Pinterest because it's like you get to be creative, but you also get to be analytical.

Michelle Stevens 00:27:35

So it's a good platform as far as that's concerned.

Felicia Pugh 00:27:40

Those are amazing results.

Felicia Pugh 00:27:42

So I'm curious though, how did you even start working with Pinterest?

Felicia Pugh 00:27:47

How long have you been doing it and how did you tap into Pinterest?

Michelle Stevens 00:27:50

It's funny because I was doing like invitations and I'm selling on Etsy and I was trying to figure out how the heck do I get traffic to Etsy because it's so hard.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:00

It's a marketplace, but it's hard to really break into that.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:04

And so I started using Pinterest and that was a good way for me to start getting traffic.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:10

I started seeing some results from that.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:13

Um, and then I kind of moved away from Etsy.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:16

I have my own, I have my own shop and my own website now.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:20

Um, and I was honestly just looking for ways to eventually leave my nine to five.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:26

And I heard that you can actually do Pinterest management.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:28

And I was like, that's perfect.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:30

Cause I love it already.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:31

It's already doing a bunch of results for my website.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:33

So it was a perfect transition.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:36

So I really just started taking courses and learning more about Pinterest, how to do it, digging in really deep, and then just started building my account and my Pinterest education and using my YouTube platform to educate on Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:51

And then I thought, you know what, I'm going to just see if I can help other people with their Pinterest too.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:56

And it's been really great.

Michelle Stevens 00:28:58

And I've been able to work with different people from travel bloggers, food bloggers, service based businesses, coaches, all of those things.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:06

It's been really fun.

Felicia Pugh 00:29:07

Oh my goodness, that's so exciting.

Felicia Pugh 00:29:09

It's almost like you just kind of stumbled into it, but it became like the perfect thing for you.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:15

Yeah, it's funny, it's, you know, you, you want to become an entrepreneur, right?

Michelle Stevens 00:29:19

Like I was, I was tired of the corporate world.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:21

I hate asking for time off.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:23

I hate like just being beholden to someone else.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:27

And I started to think during the pandemic, like, my job could be gone tomorrow and I only have one stream of income right now.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:35

Like, it seems risky to be an entrepreneur, but my opinion is it's just as risky to be an employee because somebody else that has nothing to do with you can tell you, sorry, we don't have a job for you anymore.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:47

And I saw that happen with so many people through that time and I thought, you know what, I need to do something different.

Michelle Stevens 00:29:53

So I don't have one of those stories where I just quit my job and started working at my business.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:00

I don't have that, that ability to do that.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:02

But yeah, started slow and just kind of worked in and developed exactly what I wanted to become as an entrepreneur.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:09

And it's been, it's been great.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:11

Oh, I love that.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:13

And I'm just excited for you that you found something that really fits what you love to do.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:18

Like, you're analytical, you know, you like the SEO stuff.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:22

And Pinterest feels like the perfect matchup for that.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:26

So this has been super insightful.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:28

I got lots from it.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:29

I'm sure the people listening got lots from it.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:32

And it just has my wheels turning.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:34

So I know it has their wheels turning.

Felicia Pugh 00:30:36

So can you let people know how they can connect with you and how you might be able to support them in their Pinterest journey?

Michelle Stevens 00:30:43

Absolutely.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:44

So you can always find me on my website.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:46

That's Michelle Stevens at Stevenson with a v dot com.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:51

If you don't put the dash in, you're going to get somebody totally different.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:54

You'll know right away.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:56

And then I'm also on YouTube at.

Michelle Stevens 00:30:59

It's@michelle-stevenson YouTube also.

Michelle Stevens 00:31:02

And I am on Instagram.

Michelle Stevens 00:31:03

I'm not on Instagram as much as YouTube, but you can find me there at Growing Underscore.

Michelle Stevens 00:31:08

Michelle.

Michelle Stevens 00:31:09

And I also, you know, I offer one off services as far as like strategy sessions.

Michelle Stevens 00:31:15

So if you just need somebody to kind of help you brainstorm ideas and come up with keywords.

Michelle Stevens 00:31:19

I have strategy sessions, I have Pinterest audits, and I just started offering some coaching with Pinterest.

Michelle Stevens 00:31:23

So if you really want to dig in and you want to take it seriously and you want some one on one coaching, I have that available too.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:30

Awesome.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:31

And all of those links will be in the show notes.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:34

So go ahead, click away.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:35

Connect with Michelle again.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:37

Michelle, this has been so insightful and very interesting.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:39

Thank you so much for coming on and sharing with us all things Pinterest.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:44

Guys.

Felicia Pugh 00:31:45

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Felicia Pugh 00:31:49

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Felicia Pugh 00:31:52

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